Sowhat is your point????? You actually went back thru a month of posts to try to prove that I lied??? HONEY, You have way to much time on your hands.

Just so you know, when I was referring to assistance, I was talking about Welfare and foodstamps. It is my understanding now, and when I received WIC that it is a nutritional program, not welfare but hey Honey, if its that important for you to be right, and you are going to go to that much trouble to try to prove it and make someone look bad ( like you have in most of your posts) so that you can feel better about yourself, then have at it.

Do you all know the income guidelines for a family of 4 in Ohio to receive WIC is $39,000.00. That doesn't sound like Welfare to me. So I guess because I received WIC during my pregnancies and for my children, then I used the system,and that makes me a low life loser. None of the other things we accomplished in our lives means anything because we received food from a nutritional program.
According to you Sowhat, anyone who has ever accepted ANY type of assistance be it Welfare,foodstamps, or WIC or any of the other various programs out there, does not now nor will they ever amount to anything. We are all losers.
I will tell you something though, If I would have needed to be on welfare during the time when we both lost our jobs, I would have done it. That is what the program is for, and people that use it when they really need it should not be made to feel ashamed about it.

Its sad to me to see you trying to influence the people on here with your narrow minded way of thinking. What exactly would it take for you to actually be kind to someone? From all I have read, It doesn't matter what a person does to try to better themselves, or provide a loving, safe home and environment for their family, you would find something to criticize. That is what you do. Usually when people do that, they are very unhappy with their own life. I am not referring to you of course because I don't know you and that would be an assumption I am not able to make.

FYI: According to the Food and Nutrition service web page: The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children - better known as the WIC Program - serves to safeguard the health of low-income women, infants, & children up to age 5 who are at nutritional risk by providing nutritious foods to supplement diets, information on healthy eating, and referrals to health care.
I hope this helps to clarify all the confusing information about WIC that has been put out there on this forum.
I stopped posting on this issue a while ago. I reposted because I believe its ridiculous to keep saying the same things over and over again, and then to start on others. I feel like I am contributing to it again so I will end this. Sowhat, I am sure as the sun will rise that you will need to have your last word so go for it. I hope it gives you a sense of Peace. It sounds like you need it.

Your own words Honey......Posted by mouseboysmom3 April 17, 2008
I believe WIC is a program that was designed to help families who meet the income guidelines ( which are higher than welfare or foodstamps) meet nutritional needs of pregnant mothers and children under 5yrs of age. It is available to any and all families who meet those income guidelines whether they have hardships or not. Thru WIC, parents can be educated about nutrition, their children can have iron levels tested, and they can offer answers to other questions about child development.
If families who meet the requirements do not use it, that is their choice.

My husband and I both worked, and we did receive WIC. We are not deadbeats who wanted to suck the system dry. We used what we received from WIC to help supplement our ever shrinking grocery budget.
Because we were receiving WIC, my son received a diagnosis of Autism sooner, because one of the workers there, mentioned that he at his age, he should be speaking more ( this was several years ago, and not much was known at the time about Autism) and this prompted me to seek further assessments.
I agree that the system needs changed because it does hold up lines.
They set the higher income guidelines for a reason. If you receive it, it doesn't mean that you are not able to afford your kids, or are mooching off the system. You receive it to help your children eat more healthy. The money I would have used to buy the eggs, cheese,beans, milk,peanut butter, etc., I was able spend on healthier food all together. Maybe some of the folks on WIC abuse that opportunity, but a least their children are receiving some nutritious food. Lets face it, crap food is much cheaper to buy than healthy food.
It is a beautiful day, I hope everyone is enjoying it!!!!!!

Sowhat,
Your name calling is somewhat childish but I will overlook that. Your post just proves what I said about people making assumptions about others. You do not know me. The ASSumption you made about me is unfounded. Apparently, because I don't share your opinion, then I must be using the system. How small minded of you. You read my post and translated it to fit your own agenda. What entitlement did I speak of???
Corrective Criticism is not telling people what losers they are. It works when you state the problem, explain what is expected and help the person come up with ways to reach those expectations. If one person is offering corrective criticism, fine. When 100 people are, it becomes abusive, and at some point the message will be lost.
If you go back and read my post, you would see that I agree with much of what has been said . I Just disagree on the way it is being dragged on and on and on. I also believe in being more compassionate. Obviously we differ on that as well.

By the way, to put all questions to rest and to ease your small mind, I am not nor have I ever used the system. I went to college, got a degree, got married, bought a house had two beautiful children, sold that house, built a house, lost jobs and weathered many storms( all without assistance) , gained other jobs, opened my own business, and remain married to the same man for 19 yrs now.
Isn't it amazing how someone who has done it all "the cookie cutter way" can still have an opinion that differs from yours?

mouseyboysmom3.....Honey you speak with experience since you have been using the system yourself. Very typical of all those who have posted that speak of the entitlement so rightfully theirs. And how can the message be lost if they never heard a word that was said, it called corrective criticism, but no one wants to be talk to, they rather complain and expect something.

No matter what has been said, those young children will still demand it or take it, or perhaps steal from someone else...Just Because they want it ALL NOW! Educate them, feed them, guide them to a better life, is still not enough for them. They will still stay on their backside and expect More, because after all people, you are the sameones using the system and since you have done it, it is ok for anyone else no matter what ludicrous excuse they come up with. Sperm Donors what a joke little girl. You put your stupid, idiotic comments to the public, and what a child you are. Blame the world for your heated rash decision of producing, what a shame to hear again children with no wisdom pushing it off to someone else again....so typical, it has become a norm. One mistake, BUT now three.

Ok this is my last post on this subject because it makes me to mad and some people are not getting the point. eeka is NOT trying if she were she would not be pregnant I understand people make mistakes but at this point she knows how to not get pregnant,Here is proof!((((if so screw all of u I don't care what u have to say. and if u wanna get mad at someone get madd at these dead beat sperm donors who leave us 2 be single mothers and do it by ourselves while they're out thier living good!!!!))))))) Does that sound like someone who is trying and accepting responsability? No it sounds like ungrateful brat who exspects to be handed everything. Just proves my point that as long as they think there owed they will go NOWHERE!

You still are making an assumption about her because of her loose terminology regarding the father of her children. As far as cookie cutter lives, for whatever reason, not everyone grows up in the ideal house where mom and dad are hard working perfect people who raise their children to be perfect citizens who apparently always make the best choices and never make mistakes. Not everyone is raised with such high moral standards. They are going to make mistakes, some will learn from those mistakes and some won't.
I think by now it is completely obvious to anyone who has been following this post that Shanon hasn't t made good choices. We all have read that time and again. Lets move on. I can understand the apparent need for people to take it upon themselves to tell someone else that they are wrong or making bad choices. But how far does that have to go? This has been going on for weeks, and although their have been new people posting, some of the same people continue to say the same things about Shanon over and over again. It is ridiculous. Now some of you are starting in on someone else who you know nothing about, only your assumptions, who is working hard and trying to make a better life for her and her children despite her situation. Its still not good enough. I agree that it is wrong to use the system when you are perfectly capable. I agree that you should hold off on having children if you cannot afford to support them or yourself. What I do not agree with is this continued chastising of a person. At some point I am sure the message has been lost. Berating a person over and over does nothing to help them. It is actually abusive.

eeka, I do not know your situation but I wish you luck with your schooling, and your children. It sounds like you are working very hard to pick yourself up and make a better life for yourself and I know you will do well.

Alot of young people think there owed something It's crushing us, and as long as they think there owed there going nowhere.So stop enabling them and tell them the truth what you truly feel in your heart, not just what they want to hear to try and be nice to them. Stand up and tell them NO it is not ok to get pregnant over and over again while on welfare. Next they will be saying if we dont get welfare then we will rob you and steal your money. To people who are on welfare who need it for health reasons etc. I am so glad it is there for you. I am glad it is there for struggling familys to, but I am not going to say it is ok when there not even trying to get off it and having more and more babys.And unless they are truly trying I will never say it is ok and pat them on the back and say awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor babys I understand you should have everything handed to you, and have all the babys u want.so far the people who have posted on here are not truly trying they want us to say it is ok and when i read what they say I can not even believe they have the nerve to post it, but I guess they"ve never been told different so to those who dont think it is ok,, stick to your beliefs don't let them make u think there owed or they will go nowhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mouseboymom when someone says sperm donor and not the man who was my husband turned out to be nothing but a sperm donor. that makes it pretty obvious that she was not maried, come on lets get real here. Also I dont think that most of us are putting single moms down or familys in need of assistance down. I think what were trying to convey here is do not post stupid things like shannon did her reasons for not working were lame and as for eeka if she works so hard and is struggling so badly as she claims you would think she would definetly have not gotten pregnant again! I ofcourse want the babies to eat and get wic it is not there fault thee here. When u speak about perfect cookie cutter lives I hope your not talking about the people who work hard for every dime they make and are responsable for paying for there childs birth and raising them even if it means no going out and partying and having nice clothes but making sure our kids do. I a, not a selfish person at all. If these idiots knew there was no welfare and they would pay for everything from the hospital bill and for the next 18 years and even after that,, then these people would not be having so many so called accidents. Ofcourse we cant do that becasue the babys are innocent in this. I'm not putting them down, But I am not ashamed to say there wrong and it ****** me off. When I do things wrong and there brought to my attention I at least take time to think if maybe I was wrong and if I was I strive to do better. All these people who want to talk religion, If u read the bible god says to support your family not to rely on everyone else to do it for you!

Again some of you are making assumptions about a situation you know nothing about. How do you know eeka wasn't married and her husband left her?? You are assuming that she has children all fathered by different men. Where does it say in her post that she wasn't married. Her reference to sperm donor could just as easily meant her husband or ex-husband.
There are so many assumptions going on here, its hard to tell what is fact and what isn't. The fact is, you don't know that facts so don't make them up so you can have an excuse to crucify someone else on here.
Everyone had a field day with the fact that Shanon didn't work. Telling her how she could find something, what a loser she was not to work, she could work opposite her husband etc. So this other person states that she is working, going to school, without the help of a husband or whoever ( because we really dont know the facts) So then you go off on her. Some of you just can't say anything positive or helpful to anyone can you. I just do not get it. I guess if you weren't raised in, or you don't live the little cookie cutter lives that all of you think people should, then you must be a welfare scum losers.
What I do know is the old saying" when you live in glass houses you shouldn't throw stones" holds true, we are all in a position to be judged by others. Noone is perfect. If we are willing to look deep enough, I am sure we can all find our short comings, and mistakes. Maybe we should focus on those instead of someone elses.

eeka....What a shallow, self-absorbing, mentality little girl you are. Honey, do it on your own, the welfare system, student aide, is making this possible. And here you stand pregnant again, by the third sperm donor that you allowed so easily to happen. In that mind of yours you want people to trust you, say again, if you are not capable of handling your personal agenda first and foremost then you are not entitled to any assistance for your own selection of donors.

Talk about dead beat donors, look in the mirror, this was preventable. A little fun, now you blame the other for a situation that should not have occurred. This is society problem now.

Stop blaming everyone else for your own lack of thinking abilities.
















then you are not entitled to any assistance for your own selection of donors.

Talk about dead beat donors, look in the mirror, this was preventable. A little fun, now you blame the other for a situation that should not have occurred. This is society problem now.

Stop blaming everyone else for your own problems.