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Disputes Erbe's praise for abortion law

Published: March 14, 2013 4:00 AM

Supporters of abortion rarely use science and moral reasoning in their arguments but instead they usually appeal to appetite and self-indulgence masked as a "right to choose."

This was clearly manifest in Bonnie Erbe's recent paean (Record-Courier, Feb. 22) directed at "hero" New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's proposed Reproductive Health Act.

Among a variety of abortion facilitating regulations, this legislation would allow non-physicians to perform abortions (not mentioned by Erbe) and promote late-term abortions (even after eight months) for "health" reasons.

This act is proposed for a state whose principal city already is the abortion capital of the country. For example, in 2009 New York City had an astounding abortion ratio (number of abortions per 1,000 live births) of 688, which is more than double that for the country and means that 41 percent of all pregnancies brought to term in the city ended in abortion.

Erbe correctly noted that Cuomo's proposals for New York are in stark contrast with those enacted in an increasing number of states that have recently passed laws that, in general, only provide transparency regarding the abortion procedure or guidance by parents if minors are involved.

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Regarding these laws, Erbe's response is: "The findings are quite troubling to those who believe a woman should have control over her own reproductive functions."

Is she suggesting that the small, independently developing human being housed in his/her mother's womb is a "reproductive function?" Certainly "reproductive functions" cannot be literally torn limb from limb by scissors and suction.

Frederick Walz, Ravenna

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little_r_republican Mar 19, 2013 12:27 PM

"The verdict is in, and the reaction by CNN and other media outlets paints a very disturbing picture of the left wing view of rape and the rapists. Two high school football players in Steubenville, Ohio were found guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl, and yet when the verdict was handed down, CNN went overboard with its sympathy toward the criminals. What about the actual victim???

POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was incredibly emotional incredibly difficult even for an outsider like me to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students, literally watched as they believe their life fell apart.

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: But in terms of what happens now, yes, the most severe thing with these young men is being labeled as registered sex offenders. That label is now placed on them by Ohio law and, by the way, the laws in most other states now require such a designation in the face of such a serious crime.

What is going on here? Are we to feel sorry for these guys? The reason they will be "labeled as registered sex offenders" is because they ARE. They are rapists. And who really cares whether they were "very good students" with "promising futures?" All those descriptions do is attempt to paint of picture of these two as sympathetic figures. They CHOSE to do this. And yet the media paint them as tragic victims? What about the real one? Do you think she is going to be haunted for the rest of her life? Do you think this will have a "lasting impact" on her?

This is a truly sick society that laments the future of these rapists while completely disregarding the fact that they are GUILTY of one of the worst crimes imaginable. What's puzzling is trying to figure out the agenda of the media in this case. Do they want to blame the victim? Do they want to send a message that rape is ok? Are they saying that if you go to a party and drink, the laws don't apply? Whatever it is, it's just plain sick.

" B.Erbele

redleg6 Mar 17, 2013 2:33 PM

I saw Harry Reid on C-span saying We need to put an End to Prostitution"!!! Good thinking Democrats. Keep Prostitution illegal, and killing babies legal. Talk about Hypocrisy.

TaggR Mar 16, 2013 4:20 PM

The blatant hypocrisy is outstanding Trawl.

trawl Mar 16, 2013 3:49 PM

@TaggR: Remember Sarah Palin saying how it was Bristols CHOICE to carry the fetus to term while campaigning on removing that choice from all other women?

trawl Mar 16, 2013 3:40 PM

After seeing the Wing Nut trying to convince people Obama = Hitler, seeing a post below trying to equate birth control and even abortion with * Eugenics * isn't at all surprising. Just another illustration how the Right Wing lives in a universe of false equivalence.

trawl Mar 16, 2013 3:40 PM

Another funny thing is how the Wing Nut sees themselves free to create any fiction then treat that fiction as fact, but anyone else not address absolutely everything even imaginable to have something to do with a argument the Rightie simply dismisses the argument.

TaggR Mar 16, 2013 2:47 PM

Conservative_Bill, Sen. Portman represents the moral decay of America. What's your opinion? Sen. Portman will also support abortion, if it affects his family directly. That's the way these teabaggers operate, hypocrites to the end.

user_24266 Mar 16, 2013 4:02 AM

Life begins at birth, so it's great to see medical science perfecting abortion techniques that are becoming safer and enhancing a pregnant woman's right to choose the destiny of HER OWN bodily health. I emphasize the words "HER OWN" because it is nobody else's business. For those who don't believe in abortion, fine.....don't have one. That's your choice about YOUR body. But don't ever try & dictate what is mine!

little_r_republican Mar 15, 2013 11:55 AM

founder of planned parenthood:

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

Ian_Maserb Mar 14, 2013 2:54 PM

I have never seen Erbe's opinion of the use of abortion for gender selection as practiced in India and China. In those countries, once ultrasound detects the a fetus is female, it is usually aborted. Surely a great feminist would support the right for those women to make that choice, even if they should choose to abort all females, thus ending the need for abortion once and for all.

little_r_republican Mar 14, 2013 11:56 AM

No one wans to eliminate birth control. Don't feel I should pay taxes for birth control nor for abortions. Remember who and why planned parenthood was started?

trawl Mar 14, 2013 10:58 AM

Seeing how those wishing to end abortion ALSO want to end birth control it IS about a womans right to choose, no matter how much Woman Haters and Self Loathing Women try to dismiss and deny that is is about Womans Rights. And the more these Sheeple carry on the more apparent it becomes that there actually is a War on Women.

TaggR Mar 14, 2013 10:11 AM

lol, you cons never give up.

Guess you'll never be a winner like the rest of us unless you try. Personally I think you're digging your own grave. But keep up the great work, the Democratic Party appreciates it.

Ian_Maserb Mar 14, 2013 9:02 AM

The arguments for abortion contain many fallacies, including the argument that without abortion a woman doesn't have control over her body. If a woman has control over body, she will not willfully engage in activities that would lead to an unwanted pregnancy and the availability of abortion will be moot. Else wise, the choice was already made, except in cases of rape, and the protection of the unborn child in no way deprives the woman of any right.

Another fallacy is that the only way to remedy an unwanted pregnancy is to terminate the pregnancy. It would be better to terminate the unwantedness.

When one examines the effects abortion has on cultures, a common theme appears: cultures that practice abortion are in decline and are being overwhelmed by cultures that do not permit abortion. Therefore, the viability of abortion as a right is also fallacious since abortion consumes any culture that guarantees it as a right.

Put in the starkest of terms, while there is a holiday, Mothers Day, honoring mothers, there is no such holiday for any of the participants in abortion. It seems that aborted children don't much appreciate "choice".

little_r_republican Mar 14, 2013 8:41 AM

erbe represents the moral decay of America.

amt_ Mar 14, 2013 6:10 AM

Excellent letter. I agree completely.